National socialism and music.

[classwar]

I'm more or less in agreement with you on most of what you're saying, but....

That is why i would rather talk to the guy and find out for my self whats hes about because for me listening to bands that have WP members is a good indication about what you stand for in general terms(well at less where i come from). The music i listen to is in a great way representative of what i am and who i am.

I'm not sure how much I agree with this. I mean, like I know some people who just flat out wont listen to band if they have shitty politics, which is a completley valid stance. Then i know other people, like me for example, who don't listen to music for lyrics so much as how the music sounds. I listen to some bands with politics I strongly disagree with (Skrewdriver, One Life Crew, Vegan Reich, just for some examples) simply because i like the way it sounds. I'm pretty PC guy with anarchist sympathies, but I like what I like. I wont ask anybody else to like it but I'd be pretty bummed if it came up in conversation and people automatically assumed I was some kind of racist homophobe.

Like I said though, for the most part I agree with you and I'm really just nit picking to keep myself entertained at this point.

I see what you mean, not that i like you for it. On a personnel level i would think thats lame but then again some of my great friends do the same as you.

I act the way i do, and think the way i do because of where i used to live. People that would where a screwdriver T-SHIRT would try to stab me, or beet the shit out of my next door neighber cuz hes from Congo....... Out in montreal, in the Est-end there is a big presence of WP-skinheads. I think strongly about this do to that fact. I mean no disrespect if you are far from fascist politics and you listen to screwdriver.

[Hollow]

I'm more or less in agreement with you on most of what you're saying, but....

That is why i would rather talk to the guy and find out for my self whats hes about because for me listening to bands that have WP members is a good indication about what you stand for in general terms(well at less where i come from). The music i listen to is in a great way representative of what i am and who i am.

I'm not sure how much I agree with this. I mean, like I know some people who just flat out wont listen to band if they have shitty politics, which is a completley valid stance. Then i know other people, like me for example, who don't listen to music for lyrics so much as how the music sounds. I listen to some bands with politics I strongly disagree with (Skrewdriver, One Life Crew, Vegan Reich, just for some examples) simply because i like the way it sounds. I'm pretty PC guy with anarchist sympathies, but I like what I like. I wont ask anybody else to like it but I'd be pretty bummed if it came up in conversation and people automatically assumed I was some kind of racist homophobe.

Like I said though, for the most part I agree with you and I'm really just nit picking to keep myself entertained at this point.

I see what you mean, not that i like you for it. On a personnel level i would think thats lame but then again some of my great friends do the same as you.

I act the way i do, and think the way i do because of where i used to live. People that would where a screwdriver T-SHIRT would try to stab me, or beet the shit out of my next door neighber cuz hes from Congo....... Out in montreal, in the Est-end there is a big presence of WP-skinheads. I think strongly about this do to that fact. I mean no disrespect if you are far from fascist politics and you listen to screwdriver.

I think that's a valid place to come from, and I can't speak for everyone but I think you've been very respectful in this conversation so far, so don't worry about that. I'm pretty much with Zach on this one, although we do disagree on some points. For instance, while we both agree that OLC has some of the hardest riffs, I can't bring myself to listen to Skrewdriver. There's just something about that band that gets under my skin.

Personally, I've found just talking to people without being confrontational seems to work the best. You find out pretty quick what side of the line they stand on. This scene is also heavily anarchist, with some communist types running around (Tony Goluza what up?). I think it helps that politics are such a part of the community, cuz it's kind of hard to accuse someone who's just gone on a rant about how governments are inherently oppressive of being WP. For sure, I wouldn't give an OLC record to a kid, but I think that a reasoning adult has the ability to separate politics and art. Again, this is just my opinion, and I really do understand where your coming from.

Either way, good (and important) discussion!


Also, one last time, fuck Nazi's.

[classwar]

Personally, I've found just talking to people without being confrontational seems to work the best. You find out pretty quick what side of the line they stand on. This scene is also heavily anarchist, with some communist types running around (Tony Goluza what up?). I think it helps that politics are such a part of the community, cuz it's kind of hard to accuse someone who's just gone on a rant about how governments are inherently oppressive of being WP. For sure, I wouldn't give an OLC record to a kid, but I think that a reasoning adult has the ability to separate politics and art. Again, this is just my opinion, and I really do understand where your coming from.

Either way, good (and important) discussion!


Also, one last time, fuck Nazi's.

Nicely said! Now if they tell me there WP i maybe will change my tone but im only human........

and yes FUCK NAZI'S

[tylerp]

I'm more or less in agreement with you on most of what you're saying, but....

That is why i would rather talk to the guy and find out for my self whats hes about because for me listening to bands that have WP members is a good indication about what you stand for in general terms(well at less where i come from). The music i listen to is in a great way representative of what i am and who i am.

I'm not sure how much I agree with this. I mean, like I know some people who just flat out wont listen to band if they have shitty politics, which is a completley valid stance. Then i know other people, like me for example, who don't listen to music for lyrics so much as how the music sounds. I listen to some bands with politics I strongly disagree with (Skrewdriver, One Life Crew, Vegan Reich, just for some examples) simply because i like the way it sounds. I'm pretty PC guy with anarchist sympathies, but I like what I like. I wont ask anybody else to like it but I'd be pretty bummed if it came up in conversation and people automatically assumed I was some kind of racist homophobe.

Like I said though, for the most part I agree with you and I'm really just nit picking to keep myself entertained at this point.

Just for the record, so everyone knows, I never said that. It was classwar and I guess the quote tag got messed up.

[Tambro]

The thing is, that stuff doesn't really happen in Victoria. A kid showed up to a show wearing a skrewdriver shirt he made himself like 4 years ago because he thought it was funny. A bunch of people told him off and threatened to kick his ass. I've never seen anyone ever in Victoria as far as WP or NSBM goes that I'd be worried about.

Welcome to Victoria, the chillest hardcore scene ever.

[Hollow]

The thing is, that stuff doesn't really happen in Victoria. A kid showed up to a show wearing a skrewdriver shirt he made himself like 4 years ago because he thought it was funny. A bunch of people told him off and threatened to kick his ass. I've never seen anyone ever in Victoria as far as WP or NSBM goes that I'd be worried about.

Welcome to Victoria, the chillest hardcore scene ever.

They're around. They just keep out of sight. I know of a kid that tried to get into Soprano's wearing a "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" shirt and was taken outside and told never to come back. I've seen swastika's around here and there. I've never seen anything that's organized, and honestly I don't think they'd be very successful if they tried. None of them (as far as I know) were seen sporting Burzum gear.

[Tambro]

Hardcore shows though?

[Hollow]

No, not yet. I keep my eye out, but you're right it's not something I particularly worry about. However, that has less to do with their non-existence and more to do with how I know everyone in the community would react: that shit wouldn't be tolerated. We're mainly a bunch of stoners on this island, but fuck if we don't have morals. Someone like that wouldn't be tolerated here, and I'm so positive of it I'm not really worried.

[classwar]

The thing is, that stuff doesn't really happen in Victoria. A kid showed up to a show wearing a skrewdriver shirt he made himself like 4 years ago because he thought it was funny. A bunch of people told him off and threatened to kick his ass. I've never seen anyone ever in Victoria as far as WP or NSBM goes that I'd be worried about.

Welcome to Victoria, the chillest hardcore scene ever.

Good yo know!, one thing less to worry about.

But i have been hearing that up in Nanaimo, the canadian moderator of stormfront lives there and has much support. also i have heard that they are well organized up there under the banner of blood and honor canada.

Where i live up in Courtenay. there are like graffitis, abd there have been like crimes associated to WP skinhead gangs. but that is all out side the hardcore scene.

[officespace]

Every once and a while some brainless 15 year old will graffiti a Swastika on a fence or something. But we always just spray paint follow your leader over top of it before anyone really sees it. The same thing used to happen at high school. The only people that do it are kids who think it''s tough/cool to pretend to be WP and stuff.

Also for the subject at hand I can never listen to bands who have racist/ homophobic/sexist members etc. Just because I can never get over that no matter how "sweet the tunes are"

[Hollow]

One time Zach and I were on a drunken adventure and found Swastikas and WP slogans spray painted on the bleachers at Vic High. So Zach just spray painted UTP over the WP slogans and x-ed out the swazi's. Next day the janitor had painted over both of them, and I never saw any of that crap again. Another time someone spray painted a swastika and "Get out N-word" on the side of the Caribbean restaurant in Quadra Village. The owner immediately did an interview with the local paper and basically said "I was a political prisoner in Ghana before coming to Canada. Do your worst." The graffiti was also covered up before anyone had a chance to see it, and nothing else happened. Victoria: home of seriously weak-willed National Socialists.

I'd heard about there being some WP presence up-island, but I'm surprised to hear it's so organized. That sucks.

[Tambro]

Nanaimo, eh? I'm lookin' at you, Norton!

[grind/bro]

Victoria: home of seriously weak-willed National Socialists.

More like home of the upper-class white kids with too much time on their hands. I don't think any of that was a sign that there is some white nationalist front building here. We're one of the whitest cities in Canada, demographically, but everyone here is too busy attending the latest K'Naan show and scooting around on their shitty longboards to really get serious about "racial purity". Those spray paint signs? Probably just drunk idiots who thought it was "edgy" because they just discovered Resistance.com's message board full of very, very mentally stable and productive people .

[trappedinside]

I've been told that there was actually a nazi scene that started to appear here in the 90s, it's easy to just dismiss the idea but it's always a possibility.

[Hollow]

I've been told that there was actually a nazi scene that started to appear here in the 90s, it's easy to just dismiss the idea but it's always a possibility.

This. While Nick is probably closer to the truth, I still take stuff like that seriously. If you don't, things can get bad really, really quick.

[grind/bro]

I've been told that there was actually a nazi scene that started to appear here in the 90s, it's easy to just dismiss the idea but it's always a possibility.

This. While Nick is probably closer to the truth, I still take stuff like that seriously. If you don't, things can get bad really, really quick.

They got chased out of town though. Enough people in this town would do the same now for sure. XSceneXUnityX and stuff

[Hollow]

I've been told that there was actually a nazi scene that started to appear here in the 90s, it's easy to just dismiss the idea but it's always a possibility.

This. While Nick is probably closer to the truth, I still take stuff like that seriously. If you don't, things can get bad really, really quick.

They got chased out of town though. Enough people in this town would do the same now for sure. XSceneXUnityX and stuff

Again, I agree that people here wouldn't tolerate that, but it's also not a good idea to dismiss it. It's one of those things where I don't lay awake at night pondering the possibility, but I also don't pretend like it's not a problem that exists.

[classwar]

I've been told that there was actually a nazi scene that started to appear here in the 90s, it's easy to just dismiss the idea but it's always a possibility.

This. While Nick is probably closer to the truth, I still take stuff like that seriously. If you don't, things can get bad really, really quick.

They got chased out of town though. Enough people in this town would do the same now for sure. XSceneXUnityX and stuff

Again, I agree that people here wouldn't tolerate that, but it's also not a good idea to dismiss it. It's one of those things where I don't lay awake at night pondering the possibility, but I also don't pretend like it's not a problem that exists.

A++. I feel like you and me should hang or somthing

[Hollow]

I've been told that there was actually a nazi scene that started to appear here in the 90s, it's easy to just dismiss the idea but it's always a possibility.

This. While Nick is probably closer to the truth, I still take stuff like that seriously. If you don't, things can get bad really, really quick.

They got chased out of town though. Enough people in this town would do the same now for sure. XSceneXUnityX and stuff

Again, I agree that people here wouldn't tolerate that, but it's also not a good idea to dismiss it. It's one of those things where I don't lay awake at night pondering the possibility, but I also don't pretend like it's not a problem that exists.

A++. I feel like you and me should hang or somthing

I'm always down for a hang out. Ill Intent from Seattle is coming out in March, you should come down for that and we can meet. There are a ton of other shows coming up sooner than that, but I'm not in town for them.

[wolfgang]

Victoria is the least culturally diverse town I've ever spent any large amount of time in...in alot of ways it reminds me of small town Alberta. That being said, I don't think we ever have to worry about WP skinheads are other visible like groups taking hold here...the town is too small and there is enough vocal opposition for that to happen. It's the non visible like groups that we have to worry about here...the racists running local businesses and in Government...ther are far too many of those in this town.