Video From Last night

[Rude Boy Puff]

Good party boys

[Tambro]

Went smoother than I expected. Didn't see any cops. Woo!

[Hollow]

Good times indeed.

[tylerp]

while I'm sure people had good times, there were a LOT of problems with last night that I need to discuss with troy. things can go wrong other than cops coming. which, by the way, if it had happened (it's a miracle it didn't) would have meant us getting fined (a common troy quote: "I can't afford to pay that") and our landlord being notified. there were way way too many people with no way of preventing all the extras seeping in the back gate, things went on way too late (beat kids started at 10:15, our rule is that music is supposed to end at 10 and a set isn't supposed to start after 9:30), broken shit, much more outside noise than I would ever want to inflict on our neighbours, nearly all our rules being totally disregarded, and much more. I am glad everyone had a good time. these are just some reasons why I was so mad last night. I am going to have to discuss a lot of things with troy and revamp our rules. if we do continue to do shows beyond those we still have planned, the attendance will have to be much smaller and more familiar. so probably just hardcore shows without hype bands. a lot of this is an issue with us so I should leave it to discussion with him and passive aggressive livejournal rants. I just want to reiterate that it was NOT that smooth.

[Andrew]

Sorry to hear that Tyler. You'd be a town of idiots to lose the use of the Troyler for shows. Hope things get figured out.

[ian]

i know how you feel man i lost half a pack of smokes.

[Hollow]

i know how you feel man i lost half a pack of smokes.

Yeah, that was kinda inappropriate.

[Rude Boy Puff]

Well I wont make light of you being unhappy.
I saw the shelf break and it was no ones fault other than swedish engineering.
Show was awesome and if a hat comes my way to replace whats broke Ill gladly throw some cash in

[tylerp]

to me, it wasn't the things breaking, just the fact that it was avoidable if this had been organized and planned differently. yeah, that shelf does suck a LOT, but I did see a number of people push and lean against it over the night. it was just one of many things. we'll probably get some nails out and nail those shelves in. it has worn down over past shows (the wall anchor came off at a show). the shelf wasn't the only thing. add a chair (from great condition to DESTROYED), magazine in the toilet, ripped down posters, people standing on our rickety record stand, trampled dirty carpets from the majority of people wearing shoes during beat kids, a wire that's now sticking out of our couch, broken bottles and glass. there may be more. there were way too many people I didn't know in my house and I'm not punk enough to be cool with that. some of you guys should have house shows. we live in a residential area just like anyone else.

all I'm doing is seeing like a grump. but I live here and stuff yo. also I am being much too public with a personal matter. I probably should have stuck with an "it was fun, thanks for coming" or something.

[Rude Boy Puff]

I breifly did house shows and it fell apart because bands never showed up on time to finish early, kids always treated it like a house party, and neighbors just didnt understand. I dont think those things will ever change. You have every right to be pissed.
Definatly not trying to poke a nerve or sound like a dick, but what exactly did you think was gonna happen when you booked a Beat Kids reunion at your house?

[tylerp]

haha. I know. believe me, I know.

[Fish]

to me, it wasn't the things breaking, just the fact that it was avoidable if this had been organized and planned differently.

This just means learn from your mistake, and if you plan on doing something like this again in the future, to plan and organize it better; trial and error is the best way to flesh out the things you were unhappy with. Yes, things were broken. Yes, it seemed to have added to the negativities of the night, but now it's over and done with. Yes, I and other people are willing to help you guys replace these things- all you need is to ask.

trampled dirty carpets from the majority of people wearing shoes during beat kids

This, people wearing shoes, was a bitch. I'm just going to point that out.

there were way too many people I didn't know in my house and I'm not punk enough to be cool with that. some of you guys should have house shows. we live in a residential area just like anyone else.

This is perfectly understandable, and in the same situation, I would be equally uncomfortable with it. Also, if I move out into a house will chill neighbours, I am definitely having house shows. Just not yet. I still live with my parents.

all I'm doing is seeing like a grump. but I live here and stuff yo. also I am being much too public with a personal matter. I probably should have stuck with an "it was fun, thanks for coming" or something.

No. You are sharing your opinion of an event that happened in your house, and there is nothing wrong with that. Now that this has been brought up, you know people will attempt to change things for next time around, should it happen again.

Also, thank you for doing this, and every other show. It was a good night.

[Andrew]

all I'm doing is seeing like a grump. but I live here and stuff yo. also I am being much too public with a personal matter. I probably should have stuck with an "it was fun, thanks for coming" or something.

Not at all man. You aren't being a grump because you're bummed on your home getting messed up. That's a totally valid thing to bother you. And you need to voice your opinion on this kind of stuff. If you say nothing, people will not know there are concerns/issues, and you keeping quiet will just bottle up your annoyance at what's happened. You aren't obligated to serve the VI punk rock community. You are doing the scene a great kindness hosting shows. People need to respect that and appreciate it more.

I'm sure everyone on this board can say to themselves "it wasn't me who did it", but if your friend's home is being disrespected, as a group you should try to work together to prevent that.

I know I don't live in Vic so I'm casting judgment from afar, but in my travels to play music, the Troyler is one of the best, most fun places to play that I've been to in years. Maybe some Vic kids don't realize how good the Troyler is. I'd like to see this be a case of "don't know what you got 'til it's gone".

I've said it before, I'll say it again; I think Tyler and Troy should be taking money from the shows for themselves. Even 10%. That's a few dollars a show. Stick it in a jar and when something breaks, you have a few dollars to fix/replace it so it isn't such a drag to have to do it out of pocket. If nothing breaks for a while and you accumulate a few dollars, treat yourselves. There is zero wrong with this in my eyes.

[tylerp]

I need to add a HUGE THANKS to Willa and Pauly who are really great with dealing with stragglers and noisy people. you guys are amazing and tactful and just so helpful. also to everyone who helped clean up (karla, serina, even timothy). lots of people really did help a lot and your help doesn't go unnoticed.

[dalamar501]

I know I don't live in Vic so I'm casting judgment from afar, but in my travels to play music, the legendary castle is one of the best, most fun places to play that I've been to in years. Maybe some Vic kids don't realize how good the legendary castle is. I'd like to see this be a case of "don't know what you got 'til it's gone".

i think in some ways some kids do respect it. Last night a fight was avoided because of how the show was here. How he wouldn't start anything cause of the location and if it was anywhere else something would have happened.


also to add on to tylers. big thanks to keith for going around and picking up all the empties out back.

[Hollow]

I'm always happy to help guys.

I'm sorry all that happened last night dude, I honestly didn't notice it (other than the chair/shelf) but that just goes to show why we have to be more vigilant and careful. It felt like a great show to me but A: I was kinda drunk and B: it ain't my house. If there's anything I can do to help out (Pat's idea of a hat pass for money to fix shit is a good one) I'll definitely get in on that.

[darcy]

The problem here is not the way the show was organized or the Troyler relationship. The problem is that it is a house. It is a house being used for live music that is, at the best of times, loud.
House shows CAN be a fun time, but it isn't a long-term solution to the problem facing Victoria: The need for an open, affordable, all-ages venue. There just aren't too many. Fort St. Cafe is okay, but there is no dancing allowed (It's a food primary). VEC is pricey even on off-days. I don't know about the other AA venues, but there status seems to go back and forth on shows.
A house show is a house show and I would expect only a few things to go wrong on a good night.

[grind/bro]

I honestly thought it was going to be wayyyy worse last night. Maybe there was a bunch of stuff that happened that I totally didnt notice because I was near blackout drunk. However, I think word spread too far. I did get a message on FB saying "INVITE ANYONE YOU KNOW WHO MIGHT BE INTO THIS SHOW!" and I did that very thing. I don't think anyone I know personally who I invited would be an asshole and fuck shit up. However, they could have invited certain people who were a little less familiar with shows at the Troyler who didn't know the real rules. I think next few shows probably should be a lot more low key. Don't pass up having crazier bands, but just keep it more on the D/L. Invite only.

ps: I had my shoes off the entire night.

[keith.]

im pretty sore today, we now know the tryoler cant support 2 crowd surfers at 1 time.
i didnt shower when i get home i need to do that right now.
tyler if it helps at all, you can have the rest of my macaroni salad i left in your fridge

sorry i called you a jerk Puffin haha

[Hollow]

The problem here is not the way the show was organized or the legendary castle relationship. The problem is that it is a house. It is a house being used for live music that is, at the best of times, loud.
House shows CAN be a fun time, but it isn't a long-term solution to the problem facing Victoria: The need for an open, affordable, all-ages venue. There just aren't too many. Fort St. Cafe is okay, but there is no dancing allowed (It's a food primary). VEC is pricey even on off-days. I don't know about the other AA venues, but there status seems to go back and forth on shows.
A house show is a house show and I would expect only a few things to go wrong on a good night.

And if this was the first house show we'd had there, I would agree with you. But we've had many shows there thanks to Tyler and Troy and this is the first time we've had a morning after write up like this. Normally it's "Awesome, thanks to everyone for behaving themselves, it was great, yadda yadda yadda" This time we have broken shit and at least one if not both of them super bummed. So no, I'd say it's all about organizing and planning.

And I also think saying "It's a house show, get over it" is kinda weak, since you don't live there and we've proven that we can do contained, respectful shows there.

Nick's idea of making it invite only for a bit is a good one, and should definitely be considered by Troy and Tyler. Also, if I may make a suggestion, having two or three people volunteer each show to show up early, help set up, tear down, and stay sober to keep shit contained might be a good call.