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when I get back in June. Who wants to start a hardcore band a la Punch/who is jamming similar jams and wants a female vocalist?

Hope this happens.

kay wrote:when I get back in June. Who wants to start a hardcore band a la Punch/who is jamming similar jams and wants a female vocalist?

ARGH MOVE TO VANCOUVER

cadaver wrote:

kay wrote:when I get back in June. Who wants to start a hardcore band a la Punch/who is jamming similar jams and wants a female vocalist?

ARGH MOVE TO VANCOUVER

If she moved to Vancouver Hieg would be all over doing this band.

I think Reece, Zach and Jeff might have a hardcore band on the go right now in its fetal stages?

I am into this if you track down a jamspot! I play guitar or bass.

tylerp wrote:I am into this if you track down a jamspot! I play guitar or bass.

I don't want to pick on you here, but this is why it's hard to start a band. People's level of commitment barely breaches the "assisted breathing on life support." Getting a jamspot literally takes a couple of phone calls. No Eulogy is looking for a new bass player: people are like "I'm not sure if I have time" and don't even have the time to call us back and say whether or not they figured out if they have time. I'm willing to admit that's probably because they don't really like our band, or decided its not worth their time, or upon contemplation realized the amount of dedication playing a band that plays shows every couple of months and rehearses for a few hours once a week, does a short tour and actually puts their own money into financing releases actually takes.

In any case Kay, what I'm saying to you is find people who are fucking stoked on playing music and off the bat are not just willing, but enthusiastic,to do such things as "find a jamspot", "write songs," "practice," and "play shows"

hey scott, I wanted to play bass in no eulogy since nic left. unforunately no one asked, and I'm actually busy. but I hope you guys find someone. bass players are hard to come by.

its cool Gam, I'm not actually choked at anyone, nor are we despondent about our lack of a bass player. We jammed with Reece on bass yesterday. He suuuuuuuuuucks. I was just commenting on musician apathy. It really doesn't forge the greatest art.

canon.docre wrote: In any case Kay, what I'm saying to you is find people who are fucking stoked on playing music and off the bat are not just willing, but enthusiastic,to do such things as "find a jamspot", "write songs," "practice," and "play shows"

Good advice, but so much easier said than done.

Andrew wrote:

canon.docre wrote: In any case Kay, what I'm saying to you is find people who are fucking stoked on playing music and off the bat are not just willing, but enthusiastic,to do such things as "find a jamspot", "write songs," "practice," and "play shows"

Good advice, but so much easier said than done.

We were just joking about this at No Eulogy practice last night. Apparently after I joined the band there was a lot of 'whip cracking' and 'task-mastering' on my part. Apparently "getting high" and "fucking around" weren't initially points 1 and 2 on my neo-fascist band itinerary.

Make no mistake, though: they were on the itinerary.

canon.docre wrote:

Andrew wrote:

canon.docre wrote: In any case Kay, what I'm saying to you is find people who are fucking stoked on playing music and off the bat are not just willing, but enthusiastic,to do such things as "find a jamspot", "write songs," "practice," and "play shows"

Good advice, but so much easier said than done.

We were just joking about this at No Eulogy practice last night. Apparently after I joined the band there was a lot of 'whip cracking' and 'task-mastering' on my part. Apparently "getting high" and "fucking around" weren't initially points 1 and 2 on my neo-fascist band itinerary.

Make no mistake, though: they were on the itinerary.

I think finding people who are easy to get along with and are committed are as important as musicianship. I'd rather play with someone who's good but not great on their instrument but shows up and isn't a shithead than putting up with someone's drama because they're awesome at playing music.

I think we'd get along together in a band Scott.

Though if I joined No Eulogy you all couldn't smoke weed at practice so instead of lamenting needing a bass player you'd be lamenting having one.

canon.docre wrote:

tylerp wrote:I am into this if you track down a jamspot! I play guitar or bass.

I don't want to pick on you here, but this is why it's hard to start a band. People's level of commitment barely breaches the "assisted breathing on life support." Getting a jamspot literally takes a couple of phone calls. No Eulogy is looking for a new bass player: people are like "I'm not sure if I have time" and don't even have the time to call us back and say whether or not they figured out if they have time. I'm willing to admit that's probably because they don't really like our band, or decided its not worth their time, or upon contemplation realized the amount of dedication playing a band that plays shows every couple of months and rehearses for a few hours once a week, does a short tour and actually puts their own money into financing releases actually takes.

In any case Kay, what I'm saying to you is find people who are fucking stoked on playing music and off the bat are not just willing, but enthusiastic,to do such things as "find a jamspot", "write songs," "practice," and "play shows"

dude, this is major passive aggressive if it's all because of what I wrote. and I am going to address your points (I STILL RESPECT YOU AS A RAD DUDE, BUT...)

I don't want to pick on you here, but

so why'd you quote me rather than just reply with the rest of this? this whole rant was inspired by five of the words in my one line post that was literally EXPRESSING my interest?

this is why it's hard to start a band. People's level of commitment barely breaches the "assisted breathing on life support."

a new band idea requires some initial jams to gauge everyone's level of musicianship, interest, ability, common musical ground, etc. you cannot be obsessively committed to a project that, as far as I read into the initial post, was just an awesome band idea by one person. I mean, I've never even jammed with her. and if that reece/etc project doesn't want to merge with her idea, then it's just me who seems to have expressed interest and I think it's fair to start thinking about a jamspace while she's still looking for 2 other members.

Getting a jamspot literally takes a couple of phone calls.

this infuriates me more than most of the posts here. Watcher jammed at the Troyler and Red Door, both which aren't really options anymore. it is easy to find a jamspace IF you're willing to pay at pro jam spaces / lemon tree, but a long-term arrangement is more difficult to find. No Eulogy jams at the Troyler because Reece lives there? great! not all of us live in houses or have friends who want to lend houses/rooms. I am aware that you can turn this around on me and turn it into some sort of "if you're REALLY dedicated, you can front the money for a jamspace and learn to drive and blah blah". but the fact is that getting a cheap/regular jamspace has not been easy for Watcher, and I've done a fair bit more than two phone calls - I've met up with dudes in the industrial area to check one out, talked to friends of friends, made posts online on facebook/reddit/craigslist, etc. just like there are not many affordable all ages venues, it is not easy for a band to find a garage or basement to leave their gear and jam. and it's not just with me - Measureless is another example. I just talked to mike and he's worried because they just got the boot from the troyler and have shows coming up and nowhere to jam. Kay once had that and my post basically meant "You once lived in a rad place that had a basement that was ideal for jams. You are moving back. Perhaps you'll be in a similar place and this would make me excited about a project like this because of the transient jamspace situation Watcher has been in."

No Eulogy is looking for a new bass player: people are like "I'm not sure if I have time" and don't even have the time to call us back and say whether or not they figured out if they have time. I'm willing to admit that's probably because they don't really like our band, or decided its not worth their time,

these are probably the reasons. I like No Eulogy and never put my name forward, but I would not be good enough and I do not tend to play that style of music enough for it to work for me. If I were to use your condescending tone, I would say "it only takes a couple of phone calls to find a bass player" because apparently using your own band as a universal example is a good idea and we tracked down Paul who is awesome and writing lots of rad new material for us. you're having trouble finding a bass player, we're having trouble finding a regular jamspace, and neither of those demonstrates some life-support level of commitment.

or upon contemplation realized the amount of dedication playing a band that plays shows every couple of months and rehearses for a few hours once a week, does a short tour and actually puts their own money into financing releases actually takes.

oh please, do you think you're the most dedicated band in Victoria? I can't believe you're bragging about how dedicated you guys are. it's great that you're able and willing to finance your own releases, but this reeks of holier-than-thou nonsense. I mean, there's always room for modesty and improvement, isn't there? some might say "a few hours once a week" is infrequent. some might say that smoking weed or drinking during jams is not a good example of dedication. your band is dedicated, yeah. you've been together for a long time and play regular shows, put out releases, and get things done really well. I believe you are dedicated, but not that you need to be bragging about it or using yourselves as a perfect example.

I still don't think that your rant was justified as a response to what I said, even though you make valid points about the importance of dedication and I am sometimes annoyed with the lack of "getting things done" as well. this part of the rant deserves to be said, though you're taking it out in the wrong way. I am VERY familiar with the frustration of disorganized bandmates. I love kris, but getting him to jam at length was sometimes difficult because it wasn't his main band and he would sometimes lose patience. and richard is adorably absent-minded, so I was always having to track down gear and rides for everyone, plus do all the worrying and arriving on time and band communication with everyone - the chaos of trying to communicate with everyone and figure everything out. this is why I like Andrew. humble as fuck and gets the job done. this sounds shit-eating but he really should be the "band guy" role model - full of awesome ideas and sees them through. I am not as capable but I'm definitely not the thing your rant was about.

read my response again. it's Kay's idea, she's looking for people, I have no jamspace, what exactly is the problem with basically saying I'm down to jam if she (the origin of the idea) can find a spot for it to happen? I can write music like this, I'd have lots of fun with it.

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tylerp wrote:

canon.docre wrote:

tylerp wrote:I am into this if you track down a jamspot! I play guitar or bass.

I don't want to pick on you here, but this is why it's hard to start a band. People's level of commitment barely breaches the "assisted breathing on life support." Getting a jamspot literally takes a couple of phone calls. No Eulogy is looking for a new bass player: people are like "I'm not sure if I have time" and don't even have the time to call us back and say whether or not they figured out if they have time. I'm willing to admit that's probably because they don't really like our band, or decided its not worth their time, or upon contemplation realized the amount of dedication playing a band that plays shows every couple of months and rehearses for a few hours once a week, does a short tour and actually puts their own money into financing releases actually takes.

In any case Kay, what I'm saying to you is find people who are fucking stoked on playing music and off the bat are not just willing, but enthusiastic,to do such things as "find a jamspot", "write songs," "practice," and "play shows"

dude, this is major passive aggressive if it's all because of what I wrote. and I am going to address your points (I STILL RESPECT YOU AS A RAD DUDE, BUT...)

I don't want to pick on you here, but

so why'd you quote me rather than just reply with the rest of this? this whole rant was inspired by five of the words in my one line post that was literally EXPRESSING my interest?

this is why it's hard to start a band. People's level of commitment barely breaches the "assisted breathing on life support."

a new band idea requires some initial jams to gauge everyone's level of musicianship, interest, ability, common musical ground, etc. you cannot be obsessively committed to a project that, as far as I read into the initial post, was just an awesome band idea by one person. I mean, I've never even jammed with her. and if that reece/etc project doesn't want to merge with her idea, then it's just me who seems to have expressed interest and I think it's fair to start thinking about a jamspace while she's still looking for 2 other members.

Getting a jamspot literally takes a couple of phone calls.

this infuriates me more than most of the posts here. Watcher jammed at the legendary castle and Red Door, both which aren't really options anymore. it is easy to find a jamspace IF you're willing to pay at pro jam spaces / lemon tree, but a long-term arrangement is more difficult to find. No Eulogy jams at the legendary castle because Reece lives there? great! not all of us live in houses or have friends who want to lend houses/rooms. I am aware that you can turn this around on me and turn it into some sort of "if you're REALLY dedicated, you can front the money for a jamspace and learn to drive and blah blah". but the fact is that getting a cheap/regular jamspace has not been easy for Watcher, and I've done a fair bit more than two phone calls - I've met up with dudes in the industrial area to check one out, talked to friends of friends, made posts online on facebook/reddit/craigslist, etc. just like there are not many affordable all ages venues, it is not easy for a band to find a garage or basement to leave their gear and jam. Kay once had that and my post basically meant "You once lived in a rad place that had a basement that was ideal for jams. You are moving back. Perhaps you'll be in a similar place and this would make me excited about a project like this because of the transient jamspace situation Watcher has been in."

No Eulogy is looking for a new bass player: people are like "I'm not sure if I have time" and don't even have the time to call us back and say whether or not they figured out if they have time. I'm willing to admit that's probably because they don't really like our band, or decided its not worth their time,

these are probably the reasons. I like No Eulogy and never put my name forward, but I would not be good enough and I do not tend to play that style of music enough for it to work for me. If I were to use your condescending tone, I would say "it only takes a couple of phone calls to find a bass player" because apparently using your own band as a universal example is a good idea and we tracked down Paul who is awesome and writing lots of rad new material for us. you're having trouble finding a bass player, we're having trouble finding a regular jamspace, and neither of those demonstrates some life-support level of commitment.

or upon contemplation realized the amount of dedication playing a band that plays shows every couple of months and rehearses for a few hours once a week, does a short tour and actually puts their own money into financing releases actually takes.

oh please, do you think you're the most dedicated band in Victoria? I can't believe you're bragging about how dedicated you guys are. it's great that you're able and willing to finance your own releases, but this reeks of holier-than-thou nonsense. I mean, there's always room for modesty and improvement, isn't there? some might say "a few hours once a week" is infrequent. some might say that smoking weed or drinking during jams is not a good example of dedication. your band is dedicated, yeah. you've been together for a long time and play regular shows, put out releases, and get things done really well. I believe you are dedicated, but not that you need to be bragging about it or using yourselves as a perfect example.

I still don't think that your rant was justified as a response to what I said, even though you make valid points about the importance of dedication and I am sometimes annoyed with the lack of "getting things done" as well.

read my response again. it's Kay's idea, she's looking for people, I have no jamspace, what exactly is the problem with basically saying I'm down to jam if she (the origin of the idea) can find a spot for it to happen? I can write music like this, I'd have lots of fun with it.

</Willa> (get it? it's a joke because sometimes Willa writes essay length responses on the internet)

Sometimes.

this thread now makes me sad, i don't really like punch, but if you cant find a drummer I'd throw my hat in the ring, i have a space to jam too, if you dont mind going to colwood.

as I dont have a job I'm almost always free to jam. and I can get around town very easily.

canon.docre wrote: No Eulogy is looking for a new bass player: people are like "I'm not sure if I have time" and don't even have the time to call us back and say whether or not they figured out if they have time. I'm willing to admit that's probably because they don't really like our band, or decided its not worth their time

Human-Demise wrote:hey scott, I wanted to play bass in no eulogy since nic left. unforunately no one asked, and I'm actually busy.

Human-Demise wrote: I dont have a job I'm almost always free to jam. and I can get around town very easily.

canon.docre wrote:I think Reece, Zach and Jeff might have a hardcore band on the go right now in its fetal stages?

Don't forget Jordan!

Andrew wrote:

Human-Demise wrote:hey scott, I wanted to play bass in no eulogy since nic left. unforunately no one asked, and I'm actually busy.

Human-Demise wrote: I dont have a job I'm almost always free to jam. and I can get around town very easily.

I see what you did there, I should be more clear, while I am free to pretty much jam whenever, I'm not really available for a band thats touring and already fairly established.

before anymore hXc drama happens. scott was basically saying, if you want to jam, pay for a spot at projams or whatever. That shit is available. I assume most of you work. just do it.

tylerp wrote: so why'd you quote me rather than just reply with the rest of this? this whole rant was inspired by five of the words in my one line post that was literally EXPRESSING my interest?

I quoted you because what you said reminded me of prevalent attitudes in music, and any sort of project people undertake. I don't really care specifically about the fact that you might have these attitudes, so my point stands in that I'm not addressing YOU, but people in general.

tylerp wrote: a new band idea requires some initial jams to gauge everyone's level of musicianship, interest, ability, common musical ground, etc. you cannot be obsessively committed to a project that, as far as I read into the initial post, was just an awesome band idea by one person.

helping find a jamspot does not equal obsessive commitment.

tylerp wrote: I think it's fair to start thinking about a jamspace while she's still looking for 2 other members.

Finding a jamspot is easy. See my next rebuttal.

tylerp wrote:Getting a jamspot literally takes a couple of phone calls. this infuriates me more than most of the posts here. Watcher jammed at the legendary castle and Red Door, both which aren't really options anymore. it is easy to find a jamspace IF you're willing to pay at pro jam spaces / lemon tree

... or one of the other dozens of co-op warehouse spaces in this city. Jamspots cost money for someone. Anyone who doesn't think this is worth it, again, might have some motivation issues and prioritizing to do. I lump this in the same symptom list as "bands that break up after a few months and 1 recording." Put some fucking effort into ones personal relationships with ones band members.

tylerp wrote: but the fact is that getting a cheap/regular jamspace has not been easy for Watcher, and I've done a fair bit more than two phone calls - I've met up with dudes in the industrial area to check one out, talked to friends of friends, made posts online on facebook/reddit/craigslist, etc.

Checked out one spot, posted on the internet .. ok you're on the right track. Maybe you do just have bad luck. I haven't been without 1 or more jamspots for the last decade or so, at any point in time. Sometimes it makes me broke. Its a fucking PRIORITY for me. I will do anything for it.

tylerp wrote: If I were to use your condescending tone, I would say "it only takes a couple of phone calls to find a bass player" because apparently using your own band as a universal example is a good idea and we tracked down Paul who is awesome and writing lots of rad new material for us. you're having trouble finding a bass player, we're having trouble finding a regular jamspace, and neither of those demonstrates some life-support level of commitment.

To be fair, we are still jamming, writing songs, putting out records, Reece is playing bass as rehearsals, and we are not currently in need of a bass player to "move forward" or function.

tylerp wrote:oh please, do you think you're the most dedicated band in Victoria?

Ok, I'm convinced, playing in our band doesn't require a lot of commitment, which proves that "I don't have time" probably means "I'm not that interested in playing for you guys." I came to that conclusion in my original post, but I like the tone you've reached by this point in your message.

tylerp wrote:I can't believe you're bragging about how dedicated you guys are.

I'm just talking about it, Tyler. This false modesty bullshit where people can't even talk about being in band when speaking to other musicians about being in a band, on a small local messageboard, is just stupid. I have dedicated my life to propping up other bands as well as my own, and this "scene," and will relate my relevant personal experiences when dicussing making music. Its not a function of bragging.

tylerp wrote:It's great that you're able and willing to finance your own releases, but this reeks of holier-than-thou nonsense.

Labels are not interested in putting out my bands' records, and this is somehow nonsensical holier-than-thou bragging.

tylerp wrote:so I was always having to track down gear and rides for everyone

See here, you're not bragging, you're just relating personal experiences.

tylerp wrote:I am not as capable but I'm definitely not the thing your rant was about.

That's why I said I'm not trying to pick on you, and used ambiguous pronouns. This message, however, is picking on you.