VIHC fest highlights

[xnoogzx]

I'd also like to point at the Jordan is probably one of the best dudes around. You should all party like that guy. He knows how to party. PMA!

[officespace]

- passive aggressiveness of the signs / approach. ugh.

I don't get how making a statement to a room of people with a sign is passive aggressive. It was the fastest/most direct means of commenting to a group of people short of taking the mic from the band on stage and giving a speech, which I would find less appropriate than holding up a sign.

Sides of the story and whatnot aside, I think it's a plus that people got to see others express their dissatisfaction through protest. IMO it was bold to do instead of quietly grumbling about it to each other.

Or the other thing that could have happened was talk to him after the set. Dustin is a very approachable guy. Also I state this many times, it's only degrading if the other party (which happened to be a female) felt degraded. If it was a guy no one would have said anything. Who's sexist now? Dustin would have done the same thing, male or female. Also protest is only effective if you can't get your voice across any other way. Like I said, if they really had a problem with it, they should have talked to both Dustin and the girl involved. Also, would you have reacted the same way if a girl vocalist did the same thing?

Well I don't know about you but if a girl said this one goes out to the girl who sucked my dick it would be considered a joke because girls don't have dicks and it would be a joke on how many dudes in bands have that rockstar mentality because they're in a band they should get their dick sucked(not hardcore bands but you know like rock bands and the such). Also it's more than just if that girl felt degraded. What if this show was some young girls first show? and what she sees is some girl being objectified. I mean I';m not a girl but that would make me pretty uncomfortable if I was. It makes me uncomfortable as a member of a community that is supposed to be about unity and breaking down walls.

[xnoogzx]

- passive aggressiveness of the signs / approach. ugh.

I don't get how making a statement to a room of people with a sign is passive aggressive. It was the fastest/most direct means of commenting to a group of people short of taking the mic from the band on stage and giving a speech, which I would find less appropriate than holding up a sign.

Sides of the story and whatnot aside, I think it's a plus that people got to see others express their dissatisfaction through protest. IMO it was bold to do instead of quietly grumbling about it to each other.

Or the other thing that could have happened was talk to him after the set. Dustin is a very approachable guy. Also I state this many times, it's only degrading if the other party (which happened to be a female) felt degraded. If it was a guy no one would have said anything. Who's sexist now? Dustin would have done the same thing, male or female. Also protest is only effective if you can't get your voice across any other way. Like I said, if they really had a problem with it, they should have talked to both Dustin and the girl involved. Also, would you have reacted the same way if a girl vocalist did the same thing?

Well I don't know about you but if a girl said this one goes out to the girl who sucked my dick it would be considered a joke because girls don't have dicks and it would be a joke on how many dudes in bands have that rockstar mentality because they're in a band they should get their dick sucked(not hardcore bands but you know like rock bands and the such). Also it's more than just if that girl felt degraded. What if this show was some young girls first show? and what she sees is some girl being objectified. I mean I';m not a girl but that would make me pretty uncomfortable if I was. It makes me uncomfortable as a member of a community that is supposed to be about unity and breaking down walls.

TL;DR

But in the same breath, the same people look down at people who come to shows that don't "look" punk or have a shirt in that same vein. It's very ignorant to say this doesn't happen. I have friends who have come to shows I've played and although enjoyed the bands that played never want to come back to a show because they felt so unwelcome. You do realize that talking about unity actually divides a lot of people. You're closing your walls to everyone that's not like you. Also playing devil's advocate here but everyone just to the conclusion that sucking them is being degraded. Some people actually feel empowered while doing it. Anyways this is becoming waaaay off-topic but just a general note. The world is a big place and there are a lot of things that may not make sense to you. I've talked to you many times in person so this is me talking/typing to you out of total respect. Also a girl could got down on me or whatever. I just think you can't take every comment seriously. Trust me, if I ever see anything that is truly racist, homophobic, sexist, I'm the first one to speak out against it. I also like that this automatically becomes "jock" or "rockstar" mentality, in the same vein as going to the gym and working out. Dustin was only joking around, might be a tasteless one but still. I'm sure you say things without thinking about it on stage. You can't judge a person with only what he does on stage. That may leave a big impression (unfortunately) but that's not what he's all about. Also going back to unity, I've known Dustin longer than I've known you and I know how much he loves hardcore. It sucks when the general vibe is people like him shouldn't be in hardcore, well again isn't that dividing up the scene. There is this fantasy that Vancouver hardcore is awesome but the reality is it really isn't. I've been going to hardcore shows for on and off for about 8 years and I've never seen it this divided. You can blame Vancouver for not having legit venues but that's only a part of it. A lot of my friends I've known for the length of time I've been going to hardcore shows have started to drop because they're just sick of uptight nature that's become the norm in Vancouver. You go down to Seattle and metal dudes are hanging out with punk dudes, starting d-beat bands, that's what you call unity.

Going back to your comment, what if it was two dudes, like I said. No one would have made a big deal out of it. I don't understand why sex is so taboo in hardcore. He didn't say anything about how she looked great pretending to suck a bottle in between his legs. Everyone's talking like they're Christians now. I thought the big issue was the ripping apart of the sign. I thought the sign was lame but at the same time, it was dealt with very badly. It's all lame. It's like saying don't be a poser listen to old hardcore bands. NO ONE CARES (I love you XChadX ) I like what I like and I don't have to listen to YOT or COS just because they're "crucial" straight edge bands. I'll listen to them if I like them because really, that's all what it comes down to, whether you like it or not. Why would you listen to a band just because someone else told you listen to it. Damn it, I'm getting off topic again. Anyways, everything was taken out of proportion and now it's like watching paint dry (boooorrring). Also you can't talk shit since you were singing along to the Blink cover

[Andrew]

- passive aggressiveness of the signs / approach. ugh.

I don't get how making a statement to a room of people with a sign is passive aggressive. It was the fastest/most direct means of commenting to a group of people short of taking the mic from the band on stage and giving a speech, which I would find less appropriate than holding up a sign.

Sides of the story and whatnot aside, I think it's a plus that people got to see others express their dissatisfaction through protest. IMO it was bold to do instead of quietly grumbling about it to each other.

Or the other thing that could have happened was talk to him after the set. Dustin is a very approachable guy. Also I state this many times, it's only degrading if the other party (which happened to be a female) felt degraded. If it was a guy no one would have said anything. Who's sexist now? Dustin would have done the same thing, male or female. Also protest is only effective if you can't get your voice across any other way. Like I said, if they really had a problem with it, they should have talked to both Dustin and the girl involved. Also, would you have reacted the same way if a girl vocalist did the same thing?

They could have talked directly after the set, but that would not have made the other people in the room aware of their feelings on what was happening.
Personally I think the best thing would have been both the sign and a personal talk afterwards but the grabbing/destroying of the sign closed the door to talking.

But take my post at face value. I disagree that holding up a protest sign to a room of people is a passive aggressive act, I didn't address the specifics of why they had the sign, etc.

[xnoogzx]

- passive aggressiveness of the signs / approach. ugh.

I don't get how making a statement to a room of people with a sign is passive aggressive. It was the fastest/most direct means of commenting to a group of people short of taking the mic from the band on stage and giving a speech, which I would find less appropriate than holding up a sign.

Sides of the story and whatnot aside, I think it's a plus that people got to see others express their dissatisfaction through protest. IMO it was bold to do instead of quietly grumbling about it to each other.

Or the other thing that could have happened was talk to him after the set. Dustin is a very approachable guy. Also I state this many times, it's only degrading if the other party (which happened to be a female) felt degraded. If it was a guy no one would have said anything. Who's sexist now? Dustin would have done the same thing, male or female. Also protest is only effective if you can't get your voice across any other way. Like I said, if they really had a problem with it, they should have talked to both Dustin and the girl involved. Also, would you have reacted the same way if a girl vocalist did the same thing?

They could have talked directly after the set, but that would not have made the other people in the room aware of their feelings on what was happening.
Personally I think the best thing would have been both the sign and a personal talk afterwards but the grabbing/destroying of the sign closed the door to talking.

But take my post at face value. I disagree that holding up a protest sign to a room of people is a passive aggressive act, I didn't address the specifics of why they had the sign, etc.

Yeah totally agree with you on the destroying part, it was sorta lame. My only issue with that is the did you really have to tell the everyone in the room how you felt? Not really. In my experience, people who make the extra effort to defend something are usually the biggest hypocrites. Let me emphasize, LIVE THE LIFE OF JORDAN. THIS GUY KNOWS HOW TO PARTY. PMA I'm sure there were things that bummed him out but instead he only highlighted the good parts. Really, if you're remembering a fest with what shitty things happened, you're a miserable dickshitter and shouldn't have gone to the fest in the first place

[tylerp]

you're a miserable dickshitter and shouldn't have gone to the fest in the first place

*picture of a cardboard sign defending dickshitters*

[xnoogzx]

you're a miserable dickshitter and shouldn't have gone to the fest in the first place

*picture of a cardboard sign defending dickshitters*

*rips up cardboard sign defending dickshitters*

[xnoogzx]

you're a miserable dickshitter and shouldn't have gone to the fest in the first place

*picture of a cardboard sign defending dickshitters*

*get drunk and stoned with tyler lol*

[Andrew]

Yeah totally agree with you on the destroying part, it was sorta lame. My only issue with that is the did you really have to tell the everyone in the room how you felt? Not really.

Firstly, I appreciate how much you're posting well thought out points. Thanks.

But I respectfully disagree with the idea that the sign was unnecessary. Public protest is a right we should all have and they exercised it. In a music culture filled with protest songs, I don't see it as much of a stretch to hold up a sign.

I'm not saying Blackwater's opinion on the sign was correct, I'm simply defending their right to express their opinion with it.

LIVE THE LIFE OF JORDAN. THIS GUY KNOWS HOW TO PARTY. PMA

That's life philosophy I would never disagree with.

[Andrew]

Next Watcher show I'm bringing a sign to hold up the says

PISSING ON CARS IS NOT PART OF HARDCORE.

[Human-Demise]

Next Watcher show I'm bringing a sign to hold up the says

PISSING ON CARS IS NOT PART OF HARDCORE.

not if I beat you to it first

[officespace]

- passive aggressiveness of the signs / approach. ugh.

I don't get how making a statement to a room of people with a sign is passive aggressive. It was the fastest/most direct means of commenting to a group of people short of taking the mic from the band on stage and giving a speech, which I would find less appropriate than holding up a sign.

Sides of the story and whatnot aside, I think it's a plus that people got to see others express their dissatisfaction through protest. IMO it was bold to do instead of quietly grumbling about it to each other.

Or the other thing that could have happened was talk to him after the set. Dustin is a very approachable guy. Also I state this many times, it's only degrading if the other party (which happened to be a female) felt degraded. If it was a guy no one would have said anything. Who's sexist now? Dustin would have done the same thing, male or female. Also protest is only effective if you can't get your voice across any other way. Like I said, if they really had a problem with it, they should have talked to both Dustin and the girl involved. Also, would you have reacted the same way if a girl vocalist did the same thing?

Well I don't know about you but if a girl said this one goes out to the girl who sucked my dick it would be considered a joke because girls don't have dicks and it would be a joke on how many dudes in bands have that rockstar mentality because they're in a band they should get their dick sucked(not hardcore bands but you know like rock bands and the such). Also it's more than just if that girl felt degraded. What if this show was some young girls first show? and what she sees is some girl being objectified. I mean I';m not a girl but that would make me pretty uncomfortable if I was. It makes me uncomfortable as a member of a community that is supposed to be about unity and breaking down walls.

TL;DR

But in the same breath, the same people look down at people who come to shows that don't "look" punk or have a shirt in that same vein. It's very ignorant to say this doesn't happen. I have friends who have come to shows I've played and although enjoyed the bands that played never want to come back to a show because they felt so unwelcome. You do realize that talking about unity actually divides a lot of people. You're closing your walls to everyone that's not like you. Also playing devil's advocate here but everyone just to the conclusion that sucking them is being degraded. Some people actually feel empowered while doing it. Anyways this is becoming waaaay off-topic but just a general note. The world is a big place and there are a lot of things that may not make sense to you. I've talked to you many times in person so this is me talking/typing to you out of total respect. Also a girl could got down on me or whatever. I just think you can't take every comment seriously. Trust me, if I ever see anything that is truly racist, homophobic, sexist, I'm the first one to speak out against it. I also like that this automatically becomes "jock" or "rockstar" mentality, in the same vein as going to the gym and working out. Dustin was only joking around, might be a tasteless one but still. I'm sure you say things without thinking about it on stage. You can't judge a person with only what he does on stage. That may leave a big impression (unfortunately) but that's not what he's all about. Also going back to unity, I've known Dustin longer than I've known you and I know how much he loves hardcore. It sucks when the general vibe is people like him shouldn't be in hardcore, well again isn't that dividing up the scene. There is this fantasy that Vancouver hardcore is awesome but the reality is it really isn't. I've been going to hardcore shows for on and off for about 8 years and I've never seen it this divided. You can blame Vancouver for not having legit venues but that's only a part of it. A lot of my friends I've known for the length of time I've been going to hardcore shows have started to drop because they're just sick of uptight nature that's become the norm in Vancouver. You go down to Seattle and metal dudes are hanging out with punk dudes, starting d-beat bands, that's what you call unity.

Going back to your comment, what if it was two dudes, like I said. No one would have made a big deal out of it. I don't understand why sex is so taboo in hardcore. He didn't say anything about how she looked great pretending to suck a bottle in between his legs. Everyone's talking like they're Christians now. I thought the big issue was the ripping apart of the sign. I thought the sign was lame but at the same time, it was dealt with very badly. It's all lame. It's like saying don't be a poser listen to old hardcore bands. NO ONE CARES (I love you XChadX ) I like what I like and I don't have to listen to YOT or COS just because they're "crucial" straight edge bands. I'll listen to them if I like them because really, that's all what it comes down to, whether you like it or not. Why would you listen to a band just because someone else told you listen to it. Damn it, I'm getting off topic again. Anyways, everything was taken out of proportion and now it's like watching paint dry (boooorrring). Also you can't talk shit since you were singing along to the Blink cover

As I told Mr. James in the other said I'm not denying I sang along to the Blink cover blah blah blah. That's not my "thing" against the band.
Sorry there is nothing sexually empowering about saying this goes out to the girl who sucked my dick. I'm all for sexual empowerment but that just isn't sorry. Sex isn't taboo for me in hardcore/punk two of my favourite bands are Limp Wrist and Pansy Division. But the fact is most songs about having sex with girls aren't for hardcore because it revolves mostly around treating women like objects and that's not really something I want to be a part of. I mean if a band like OOS can write a song about having sex that isn't demeaning to women/men then fuck yeah I'll probably sing along to that jam. But we both know most songs about sex won't do that. But I have no problem with sexually promiscuous people why would I? I have nothing against oral sex but just the way the dude said it.

As for what you say about Vancouver hard core I dunno I think the scene is in a pretty good place right now. Some awesome bands great people etc. The one thing I will admit the scene is lacking is younger faces as I think Warren and I are the youngest at 19 years old which sucks. I remember going to shows when I was 15/16 and it being the best times of my life. Treating new people nicely is an somewhat odd thing because most people complain that people don't approach them but they don't want to approach them. But i know it is the older peoples responsibility to do so so we can shoulder the blame on that one. As for the unity of the scene just look at Jakob's band I mean they have a Hardcore kid,a crust kid,a nexopia teens kid and the geetar player from Woolworm in it it doesn't get much more diverse than that. Also my comment wasn't directed as a personal insult on his character but rather on something he said. do I think he some sexist mongoloid of course not but he should have to take responsibility for saying something stupid rather than just hiding behind the I was drunk excuse or that everyone else is too PC. I don't think unity is a deterrence from the scene. Everyone despite being different genders/races/sexes/sexualities can all get together and hang and sing and dance to some sweet bands. I don't get how that doesn't include everyone? Or is off putting to some? Maybe if you go around saying faggot or nigger or calling girls sluts all the time it could be a deterrent but then maybe punk/hardcore just isn't for you then.

[xchadx]

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[xnoogzx]

It's like saying don't be a poser listen to old hardcore bands. NO ONE CARES (I love you XChadX ) I like what I like and I don't have to listen to YOT or COS just because they're "crucial" straight edge bands. I'll listen to them if I like them because really, that's all what it comes down to, whether you like it or not. Why would you listen to a band just because someone else told you listen to it. Damn it, I'm getting off topic again. Anyways, everything was taken out of proportion and now it's like watching paint dry (boooorrring). Also you can't talk shit since you were singing along to the Blink cover

Hahahaha, all I have to say is that was obviously an exaggerated comment. The general emphasis behind that was what I initially said: celebrate punk and hardcore history. I wasn't trying to tell people they have to like Chain/music I like, moreso trying to say I think it's important to know the history of the styles of music we're all into and not just jam flavour of the month bands. I was largely trying to take the piss out of people, and relating back to last time we played the island and I said people were posers if they didn't know our Judge cover. All in fun! We had a laugh when homeboy from No Eulogy said "this first song is about bar culture", hahaha.

It's all love Chad, all love. I thought it was funny when you said that. I wasn't aware Willa said that, but would have reacted the same way if I did, haha. It's the internet, there's no place for B33F. Well, you're vegan so I guess you don't have a place for it any way

[xchadx]

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[officespace]

yeah it was Reece that made the joke.

[xchadx]

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[xnoogzx]

Either way, tiiiight!

http://youtu.be/SrRk1ZoiWBk

[officespace]

oh the biggest plus of the weekend was definitely this




Love you Noogz

[xnoogzx]

oh the biggest plus of the weekend was definitely this




Love you Noogz

This was clearly superior to anything that happened this weekend. No one can even come close to how stoked this kid was when he got a "Live Shiny Ponyta"